Matt Wojewuczki is a retired Air Force Lt. Colonel and never stopped taking risks throughout his career. At age 45 he decided to go all-in on Microtech Welding Corporation. With a strong team and a family that was willing to make sacrifices, Matt found himself at the helm of something new that he was sure would ultimately pay off in the end.
Tim Leman : Have you ever felt like you're on the edge of something great? You've put in the work, you've done the hard stuff most people aren't willing to do, and now you can just sense a magical run lies ahead. On this podcast, we talk about what separates those special teams, the kind, if we're lucky, we get to be a part of maybe three or four times in our life, from the more ordinary experiences. I'm your host, Tim Lehman, and let's discuss leading on the edge. Please welcome our guest today, Matt Wojewuczki, President of Microtech Welding. Matt's journey from the corporate world to that of an entrepreneur is untraditional and inspiring. We've become friends through YPO, and I genuinely enjoy his stories and outlook on business and family. Welcome to the show, Matt.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here.
Tim Leman : So tell us a little bit about Microtech, kind of the high- level piece and even your role with the organization.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah, sure. So Microtech Welding, as the name sounds, we do microwelding, which is really under high magnification under a microscope. So it's very precision. So when people think of welding, they think of sparks flying, girders, high rises, that sort of thing. This is exactly the opposite. As you've seen on your tour, it's under, like I said, high magnification. It's very precise, and it's very niche- y. So it's something that my partner and I, the way we kind of... As you mentioned, my role is President, but I'm also a co- owner. By the way, he's a great teammate, too, so amazing, actually, teammate, and we bought the company about four years ago from the founder, who started it 25 years earlier. So business has been around for about... The growth has been great. We do many industries, but primarily focus on medical. So as you can kind of imagine, think instruments. Think of implants, small things that go into the body.
Tim Leman : Yeah, man, that was fascinating when I got to do the tour with you, those little tiny wires that get wrapped around 100 different times to form a ball joint or something like that on the biotech industry. I mean, it was fascinating, and you said it really well. I mean, literally it's like these little tiny... like Ant- Man doing welding on these under the microscope. It was really cool.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah. No, it's amazing, too, because the employees are... Again, talking about the concept of team, it's interesting. We have had people come in and try to work there who've been in welding," welding," for 30 years, and they just can't do it. Really what it comes down to, it's kind of a combination of art and technical. So you have to know what you're doing, but also there is an art to it. So it's not just throwing heat on metal and melting it and joining it. It does take that dexterity. So we see young people excel at these kind of thing, because they have the hand- eye coordination, probably from video games. So it's interesting that we prefer when we hire people in to bring them in when they're young and train them the Microtech way, because it is such a unique kind of welding process.
Tim Leman : Knowing your background a little bit, you didn't have any experience whatsoever in this space or industry sector. So what was that like, deciding to push the chips in and go deeply in debt and buy a business that you had no real earthly idea about?
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah. Well, I was feeling much better about it until you did that intro. But no, to me, it's a game changer. So for most of my career, I was on the kind of operation side, corporate side, where I worked for someone, and I worked specifically in operation, supply chain. So I think if everything as a process. So for me, certainly there's people who've forgotten more about microwelding than I know, but at the end of the day, everything's a process. So that's how I kind of looked at it. So it takes, for me, anyway, some of the intimidation of not understanding specifically how to microweld, but, again, it's a process. You receive things, especially manufacturing presses, which I think I'm fairly confident in. You receive things in. You make something. It's an end product. You inspect it, make sure it's high quality, that sort of thing. So that's really what made it easier, too. Now, the debt side, that's a whole probably topic for a different podcast, but that was interesting, that risk. I don't think people appreciate when entrepreneurs either start something or buy something the risk that's taken and the stress that that brings. So that was definitely something that was unique for me, having never had to deal with that. Even though I thought myself always as a great fiduciary for every business I worked for, when you have that kind of risk, it does change things a lot.
Tim Leman : Hey, Matt, if you don't mind, too, because I think this is interesting for business leaders out there, too, it's not just you. It's your wife, your family, and so on. So how did making this decision go over at home?
Matt Wojewuczki: It wasn't easy, honestly, because I think everyone kind of... In some regards, I was fairly successful, I guess, for lack of a better word in the corporate world. So there was a comfort with that. So kind of all of a sudden, I'm telling... and I'm trying not to expose the family too much to the financial details, but it's hard not to say," Hey, basically everything we've done up until now is at risk." So that definitely... It took some convincing. It took some discussion. It was a collaboration. At the end of the day, my wife obviously specifically had to agree to this, but the kids also kind of had to buy in. So it was an interesting process to go through in that regard. Based on where I was in my career, I had some time to kind of go through it with them slowly, so it wasn't something we had to decide overnight.
Tim Leman : Yeah. Matt, you're a big family guy. You guys take a lot of trips. I know you spent a lot of time out in the Northeast in your early years, and the kids love doing that. So when you talked about making them part of this decision, I mean, was it down to," Hey, some of the family vacations over the next couple years are going to be a little lighter. We're going to Pokagon State Park this year"?
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah, it was exactly that, actually, because we were blessed to be able to take, as you mentioned, good trips. My wife's from the East Coast, and we have a place out there. It was basically," I don't know what it's like to be an entrepreneur now, but what I can tell you is that if we don't do well, I have to pay the employees, and that could be me not getting paid. So that means the family is impacted by it." So the first year in particular, I remember it was something that kept me up at night until I kind of got my feet under me, but it was definitely... and, again, it's a delicate balance, as you know, with family as well. You don't want to stress them out. You don't want to bring them into that world, either, but you want them to be aware of what the reality is. I think at the end of the day, as my kids... Now I've got two in college and two in high school, getting ready for college. I think it opened up their eyes to other career paths. I mean, I was 45 when I jumped into the" entrepreneurial world," and I didn't know this life existed. I was out there, networking and filling all the right squares, and this path has been fantastic. Again, having a business, like you said, where you're sitting in the seat, and I think a big part of being a strong leader, again, probably for a different podcast is being a strong follower. So I did have to kind of grow through the ranks and work for multiple people and work for people, frankly, that I didn't necessarily agree with and/ or sometimes respect. But, again, you've got to muscle through that. So I think that helped me be better at where I'm at now, where I do call the shots or I'm allowed to call the shots.
Tim Leman : Well, I know a lot of our mutual friends would say that they think Matt's living his best life these days. So I think it suits you well, but maybe talk about that a little bit, too. Your background's kind of unique, some of the different things you did and the path you took to get here.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah. So I grew up in Michigan and probably was one of the first people in my family to go to college. So that was kind of an interesting thing. So went to Michigan undergrad, and for me, my family was great, but we didn't have a lot of money. So I had to find a way to pay for college. So what I found was the best source for me was ROTC through the Air Force. So when I was in college, and, again, topic for another day, but it really did help me stay focused. That military focus helped me stay on track. Got through Michigan and then went out east in Reno Station out there. That's where I met my wife, which was, again, the best thing that ever happened. I kind of started to get a different... So when I was growing up, we didn't travel a ton. We did a lot of camping, but not a lot of big trips. I got to experience more things. As I experienced more, I realized there were other things that could be out there. So at one point I wanted to be a pilot, and then I pivoted over into wanting to kind of stay in the reserves. So I'm 20 years retired in the military, but as a reservist. But then I got to experience the corporate life. So then that excited me and, again, that competition. Then if I'm being honest, this entrepreneurial thing really just fell in my lap. My partner, again, I mentioned him earlier, he brought it to me, and I had coached with him and his son. So he just said," Hey, look, you're the kind of person I'd like to go into business with. This opportunity came to me. What do you think?" So that's kind of how that started, and that's what got me into that path. Then along the way, I didn't know what I didn't know. So it's interesting to have gone through what I did and, again, our mutual friends that are younger entrepreneurs. So I didn't have that exposure. I guess I assumed that world existed. I just didn't know what it was like. So you're right. It is an interesting path. I feel very blessed, very fortunate, all the contacts, like you and other friends that I've had over the time.
Tim Leman : Matt, if you had to pick one of those roles that you've had and say that you draw on it most nowadays with what you do at Microtech, which one would it be?
Matt Wojewuczki: Even though, again, I've been blessed, probably the consulting role. So I was there for three and a half years, and the reason I say that is because as a young person, for those who are not familiar with the consulting industry, you're thrown into some interesting situations. I remember being called by my boss, and this is pre- text and phone. So it was literally a landline call saying," Hey, you're going to this client tomorrow. Here's what you're doing." I said,"Well, I've never done that before." He said," Well, figure it out." The next day, I've got to be presenting to a client like I'm the expert. So trial by fire I think made me realize that you want to be competent in what you're doing and you want to know your stuff, but also, if you break it down to process and you break it down to common sense, a lot of times things aren't as complicated as they seem. So I draw upon that probably the most, just because every time I'm faced with a challenge, I think back to," Okay." I mean, I was literally a 25- year- old kid who didn't know much and thought I knew everything because I had the MBA and all that stuff, but really, I didn't. I went in and had to talk to people who were experts in their field, who worked at this whatever company I was consulting for for years, and I had to try to convince them if what we were doing was right. So I'd probably say that would be the one I draw upon the most.
Tim Leman : Hey, Matt, one other role you have right now, you didn't mention, and hopefully it's okay if we talk about it, too. I'd just love a few thoughts. You also are a board chair at a really strong private school and with high expectations and so on. How's that role compare to your role at Microtech?
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah. It's similar in some ways, but probably where the distinction, the biggest distinction or difference is, at Microtech, you've mentioned that you sit in the chair. I can make changes right now. I can literally send a text and shut our building off right now. So the ability to make changes, you can direct more. When you're on a board of a... You're not a paid company or an independent school, that it's not a public company, you have to convince people. You have to work with them and try to collaborate and take that team to a destination that some may not want to go. It's all based on voting. So it's been, again, late in life I've been blessed to been able to have this position. When I did it, I was reluctant. I reluctantly took it. But I think what I've learned about it is that that ability to collaborate and work with teams and try to... because everyone at this board, for example, has the same goal. They want what's best for the school. How to get there, everyone has a different idea and a different opinion. Especially in these recent times, there's so many tough topics out there to deal with, like the pandemic, for example. Everybody's got it. So it's been fantastic. I will say that there's a reason in these kind of positions it's three years, because it does wear you out. I spent inaudible doing it, but, again, I wouldn't trade it for anything. I look forward to we actually have a retreat tomorrow for three hours that I've got to kind of lead, and I'm looking forward to that, too, because it'll be fun to see if I can take the team to where I want them to go and the path that I know that there's a few people who are... It's good that you have them on every team, that they're sticklers. So they're going to be kind of the teacher kind of thing, and so trying to work with them. If I can convince them, boy, then we really won the day.
Tim Leman : So Matt, you mentioned a good teammate. You were talking about your current business partner, and you said team a couple of times. Talk to me about the best team you've ever been on. It can be from the sixth grade soccer team to whatever you're doing now. I'm just curious. What's the best team you've ever been on?
Matt Wojewuczki: For me, there's so many great teams I've been blessed to be on. So it's hard to pick the one, but at the end of the day, the one that if I really kind of drive down to it, it was when I was in the Air Force. So I graduated undergrad, went active duty. I was a young officer at Hanscom Air Force Base in Massachusetts, and it was a 10, 000- person base. So we didn't do kind of bullets and guns and marching kind of stuff. It was more like the business side of the Air Force, and it was very competitive. So these are people, Air Force Academy grads, and half of them were military. Half were government civilians. Actually, maybe a third military, a third government civilian, a third contractors. So the sports there were something that... It sounds silly, because by the time you get out of high school and college, work teams usually are fun. You kind of think of softball playing and having a beer after. This was different. It was competitive, and it's something that I loved about the Air Force. We were all on the same team in terms of the overall mission. But boy, when we competed, we competed. So that team is probably when I think about all the teams that I've been blessed to be either be on or to coach, to your point. I played on a lot of teams. I coached a lot of teams. This is the one that comes to mind the most, and if you ask me why would that be, and I've thought a lot about this notion of team over the past, obviously, 30 years, I think a big element has to be to be the best. I've been on a lot of good teams, great teams, but to be the best team, you have to win. You have to succeed, I think.
Tim Leman : So there's a results component to it, or you can't say it was the best team. It might've been a lot of fun, but you had to have some level of success.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yeah, dang it. You've got to win, right? I mean, so I hate to say it. I mean, I'm not a win at all costs guy. So when I coach my kids, the first thing I ask them after the end of the game is," Did you have fun? Did you learn anything?," that sort of thing, I'm never," Did we win or lose?" That's not the goal. But for me personally to say it's the best team, because I could reference multiple... Even my current business, it's a great team, for a lot of those same reasons that this Air Force basketball team was the best team. But yeah, in this case, winning was important to me.
Tim Leman : So you had the results, but what did it take to get those results as you look back now? Because I would imagine, too, knowing you, if you just won and you didn't have fun doing it and you didn't really care for your teammates, which you can win and not always like your teammates.
Matt Wojewuczki: Sure.
Tim Leman : But what was it about this also that made it so special?
Matt Wojewuczki: I think that the one word I would use is what made us so special, made this so special was that we all understood our roles. Now, before I get into the roles, if you want to kind of drive down that rabbit hole a bit, I do think, though, there were other things that were important. We had a common mission. So we wanted to win. We had lost the last year. We had made a good run. I can't remember exact. I think we made it near the finals, if not the finals, and lost. So the team wanted to win. So we all had a common goal. It wasn't just play together, have fun, compete. It was we wanted to win the base championship. So we had that commitment and commitment to success. We all trusted each other, because we've known each other. So the interesting thing about those who may not have been in the military before is... This is my personal opinion, but just by putting on and commissioning and being in the military, you immediately have this level of trust that I rarely see. Because we're all kind of anything can happen and you can go to war, I think that that immediately creates a bond that's hard to break. So we trusted each other. Again on the space, like I said, there were contractors, there were government civilians, and there was military, but we all, again, were part of the Air Force. Also, because we had been together for a couple years, we knew each other well, so we could call each other out very easily. So we weren't afraid to... I was a player coach. That was my role on that team. Basically what I did at the beginning is I said," Hey, guys, are we all in this to win, or are we all just to have fun?" I mean, either way. Like you said, I can have fun, but if we want to win, that's going to necessitate a level of commitment. So we did chalk talks. We did videos. We scouted other teams. The way it worked, you played at the end of the work day most times and sometimes on the weekend. So I was single at the time, so I had time to burn. So I'd go and I'd scout, and then we'd talk about especially the good teams. Just so you know, I mean, the level of competition, I mean, we had kids who played Division I on these teams. I mean, this wasn't just a bunch of old guys. I mean, it was people who played at the Air Force Academy, for example, or they played at their colleges, or enlisted folks who had passed to Division I, just didn't work for them. So I mean, this was competitive basketball.
Tim Leman : Matt, you mentioned the player- coach role. It's something in business I've often alluded to, especially coming up through the sales ranks. A lot of times, that's how it kind of works out. You're like the player- coach of some other salespeople. Talk about the dynamics of being a player- coach. Sometimes you call your own number, and sometimes you don't. How does that all work?
Matt Wojewuczki: I think for me, it was, first of all, being very clear about what that meant with everyone, so the role that I was going to take. I also had one of my closest friends even to this day who actually... He was in my wedding, who was a horrible basketball player, but he was one of my best friends. He actually said... So when I was playing, he was actually helping coach. So that helped. Again, back to that role, but I really did lay out the fact that," Hey, look." Everyone, because we knew each other, committed to," Yes, I'll do whatever you say, coach." So even though, again, the interesting dynamic by day, I was a lieutenant, maybe a captain at the time. We had majors, colonels who were on the team, and on the team, they had to listen to me. So it's kind of one of those things I still inaudible" Sir, ma'am."
Tim Leman : (laughing).
Matt Wojewuczki: I still kind of showed them the military courtesy. But on the court, it was my way or the highway. I remember I never had to deal with any conflict, because right upfront, we agreed that that was the way it was going to be. Again, not to toot my own horn, but I was probably the most accomplished basketball player, so it also helped that I was competent at what I did. It wasn't me just coming in saying," I'm the boss. Hear me roar." I was the leading scorer on the team, and so I knew what I was doing. So I think that that helped. The ability to have their respect in basketball and the thing that we were competing for I think also played a factor in our success.
Tim Leman : Hey, Matt, something you didn't mention, but just in case he's listening, the team that you knocked off, I think they were four or five- year running champs. That team had your brother- in- law on it, and you beat him, right?
Matt Wojewuczki: Oh, yeah. No, and that was actually... I mean, again, it's hard to express in words how competitive it was, but he still is a good friend of mine. So good friend, but when we got on the court, it was not friendly. It was the opposite. In fact, because of our relationship, it probably was even to the point where it was almost abusive with each other. I mean, we played hard, and he played at the academy. He was an amazing player. He was a lefty, too, which threw me off. But that patch, that was one thing that stoked my fire. So personally we all had our reasons for wanting... So some of the guys on the team were older. They maybe never won a championship, and we knew we had something special. We all had our different motivations for wanting to win. One of mine was to beat that guy. In fact, there were times we... Injuries were very common there, because people were going all out. Again, if you think about it, when you're young, in high school, you're still developing. We were men. We were grown men, going at it. In fact, other best friends, Steven to this day was on the team. He played college football. He's about eight or ten years older than me, so he was 30- ish when he was playing, but he was a bruiser. He would hurt people. I mean, there were times where people would be leaving in ambulances and crutches. So, I mean, it was tough. It was fun, though. I really did reflect fondly upon those memories.
Tim Leman : That's awesome, though. Those components of teams, whether it's business or otherwise, it's the same stuff. What would you say is your edge in life? What's your secret sauce or the thing that's always made you successful?
Matt Wojewuczki: What I would say is hard work. For me, I grew up... It's interesting. So I went to Michigan. I got wait- listed, got in. I didn't get in right away. When I went to school, I knew I wasn't the smartest person in the room. I love those stories when people say they're the smartest people in the room. I spent a lot of time not being the smartest person in the room, and to compensate for that, I had to work hard. So I would say my secret sauce is the fact that you might be smarter than me, but you're not going to outwork me, ever. So to me, when I kind of reflect back on my path and all the good things and the bad things, whatever, whenever things went awry, it was probably because I wasn't working hard enough.
Tim Leman : So yeah, what you were saying there is there's a lot of people that use that cliche of,"I'm not the smartest person in the room," but you really meant it. You weren't the smartest person in the room.
Matt Wojewuczki: Oh, no. No, I can honestly tell you that I'm rarely the smartest person. That's a fact.
Tim Leman : Now it's time for my favorite part of the podcast, rapid fire. We'll start in on some of the rapid fire here. So what's your favorite color?
Matt Wojewuczki: Blue.
Tim Leman : All right. First car?
Matt Wojewuczki: Was a Chevy Cavalier.
Tim Leman : Ooh, that sounds hot.
Matt Wojewuczki: It was cheap.
Tim Leman : What's the most memorable concert you've ever been to?
Matt Wojewuczki: Most memorable concert? Probably Jimmy Buffett, one of the early times I was dating my wife. We were dating at the time, so Jimmy Buffett.
Tim Leman : Oh, nice. So Matt, it wasn't quite in vogue back when we were hooping like that, but if they had walkup songs back then, what would your walkup song have been when you got introduced?
Matt Wojewuczki: Oh, gosh, I don't know. It's interesting. When I was in high school playing basketball, I always liked ACDC. Thunderstruck was always kind of one that inaudible rev my engine. So I know that's super old school. Probably most people don't even know what that is.
Tim Leman : No, I was talking to somebody the other day, and that exact song came up. I mean, it is actually a pretty awesome walkup song. So I keep a short list of walkup songs, about a 15- song playlist on the boat for the summertime when we've got skiers and wake surfers that they can pick from if I don't have what they need. So that's one of them in my list. Matt, what's something about you that very few people know?
Matt Wojewuczki: Let's see. Well, I don't know. Gosh, I'm trying to think. What would be that very few people know? Probably that I'm emotional. I mean, as soon as I went military 20 years, whatever, I'm a tough guy, and that's probably not me. I'd consider myself a very emotional guy. I'm not afraid to cry. I cry with my kids all the time. So probably that, actually.
Tim Leman : I appreciate you saying that, too, because we've had good conversations about family stuff over the years, and I know how important it is to you and stuff. So I've witnessed that emotion from you. That's cool. With all the pandemic stuff and so on, where do you prefer to work from? Is it from Nantucket, from home, from the office? What's your favorite?
Matt Wojewuczki: From home, and the reason is is, again, a little shout- out to my current Microtech team, two amazing leaders, and then in terms of running the show, we've got a great controller. She's amazing. We just brought an intern in who does amazing, hard working kind of person, ranch hand/ engineer. So we hired him as an intern, and we hired him full- time. Then the welders themselves, they get it done. They don't need a lot of direction. They don't need a lot of push. They're motivated. So that's a long way of saying it allows me to work from home. So I can work from home during the pandemic. I was fortunate, I guess, that I kind of fired myself about six months before the pandemic, hired someone I'd worked with at other companies for multiple years, and so I was already kind of in pandemic mode, pre- pandemic.
Tim Leman : Matt, if I looked at your phone at home or whatever, what are you guys streaming right now, whether it's audio or movies, TV, anything? What are you guys watching or listening to?
Matt Wojewuczki: Well, I mean, the truth is right now, my wife and I, we always try to find a show, but I'm pretty picky. We have different tastes, and so it's hard. So we went through the Schitt's Creek, but that was fantastic. We binged those pretty quick. We just love that show. Right now, it's Below Deck. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's on Netflix.
Tim Leman : No.
Matt Wojewuczki: It's a mini series, and basically it's a private yacht, kind of like 150- foot kind of thing. They show the working. So they bring in the people who rent the yacht, which is interesting always, but it's more about the workers, like chef and the captain, and how they work together, the dynamics. The things that happen are something that we're watching all this, because, again, it's kind of interesting you ask that question, because we've been struggling to find one once we binged all the ones that we had mutual interest in. So that's what we're watching now.
Tim Leman : That's cool. So just kind of staying on that theme, if it's the Whoa Joe movie spectacular, who would play you in a movie?
Matt Wojewuczki: Well, again, it's going to sound silly, whatever, but who cares? I guess I'm being honest. Tom Cruise. So I grew up loving Top Gun. So for me, not that he looks like me or anything, but I'm so smitten with that whole... That's why I went into the... Well, one reason was financial, but the other one was because I wanted to fly. That was a passion of mine. So yeah, that'd be the one.
Tim Leman : Even though he's a Navy flyer, you've still got mad respect for the show and the story. Okay.
Matt Wojewuczki: Yes. I mean, like I said, I love competing with other services, and I always make fun of Marines and Navy and Army, but at the end of the day, we're all one team. So it's easy for me to bond with other services.
Tim Leman : All right. Three living people that you would enjoy having dinner with?
Matt Wojewuczki: Well, Tom Brady, for sure. He's an easy go- to. His Michigan roots, I went to Michigan, and then I was a Patriots fan. That's where I met my wife. So Tom Brady would be one. I'm trying to think who. I want to be selective about this, though. Living. Oh, Michael Jordan. The basketball world by far, I grew up loving him, and I was a big basketball fan, obviously. So I'd say, MJ, and I guess I'll stick on the sports theme, because it's just kind of easier. Nothing else is coming to mind right now, but Tiger Woods. I also think he changed the game of golf. I played high school golf and love golf, and what he did, I mean, to me, he made it more popular and brought more youth involved. So just amazing, not just that he was successful, but I think he also changed a lot of the interest nationally and globally around the game.
Tim Leman : Yeah. I think one of the things that's most fascinating, too, is then the kind of the redemption and coming back one more time like he did. So if you're looking for something to stream, too, the documentary on Netflix kind of covers the book that came out a few years ago, and it's got a lot in there, but the guy's been through a ton to get back to where he is.
Matt Wojewuczki: Now, a friend recommended that, too. I haven't watched it yet, but I plan on it. They said they were tough on Tiger's dad, but that's fine. It is what it is. But I look forward to watching that one.
Tim Leman : I listened to it on audio, and they squeezed about literally 30 hours of book audio into two whatever, 90- minute TV shows.
Matt Wojewuczki: Oh.
Tim Leman : Yeah. I mean, it was an interesting book, but that's a long one. So it goes through a lot. It's pretty incredible. Matt, last one here. What is something big you want to do before it's all over?
Matt Wojewuczki: Something big? Gosh. Again, I've been very blessed. I can't say that enough, how blessed I've been. So I've done a lot of cool things, like you mentioned, family trips. Something big that I would want to do? Oh, you know what? I'd really to play Augusta, so play specifically with my boys, so play Augusta with my sons. That would be cool.
Tim Leman : Matt, it was great having you on the show today. Your tough love mentality, direct communication, and all- in commitment, that's your edge, and it's very clear that your team responds to that approach and you are all working towards a common goal. Thank you for tuning in today. I'm Tim Lehman, and remember to own your edge. Subscribe to the Edge Podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify.